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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok well I&#039;ll pursue the legal avenues and get my name changed then. 
 
You keep missing the point that I am raising about scrutiny so nevermind. The truth is the personal attacks are based on the way you wrote your article. Its not just Hadleigh and Me that think that you are patronizing your electorate look at Monkeybot 5000 comment for further proof. 
 
Sorry Hadleigh this is my last comment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok well I&#039;ll pursue the legal avenues and get my name changed then. </p>
<p>You keep missing the point that I am raising about scrutiny so nevermind. The truth is the personal attacks are based on the way you wrote your article. Its not just Hadleigh and Me that think that you are patronizing your electorate look at Monkeybot 5000 comment for further proof. </p>
<p>Sorry Hadleigh this is my last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadleigh Roberts</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadleigh Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay guys. Closing time. I don&#039;t know how many different ways I can say &quot;get over it&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay guys. Closing time. I don&#039;t know how many different ways I can say &quot;get over it&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller 2.0</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Miller 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, 
 
&quot;Student Unions are not there to act as a little Student Nanny state&quot; 
 
I wish they were. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, </p>
<p>&quot;Student Unions are not there to act as a little Student Nanny state&quot; </p>
<p>I wish they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller 2.0</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Miller 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bevan, you should name yourself after someone who didn&#039;t support No Platform. 
 
Rather than going personal in response, I went right down Hadleigh&#039;s points and fisked them, but I was basically pretty annoyed that he accused me of being contemptuous of my electorate; accordingly I did pick up on what he said about me, yes, but only in response. 
 
There was no need to even question my motivations, let alone go off on one like that. He could have just said why he disagreed with what I wrote and why, but chose to attack me instead. 
 
It was clearly not I who lowed the first blow. 
 
On Labourhome I can&#039;t look for a moderator, because I AM the moderator. If I wanted, I could have just deleted his whole article, or changed it in the way he has changed my comment. 
 
Scrutiny... no, I object to him assigning the worst motives to me when he has no reason to, he could just tackle the substance. And I object to him censoring my responses and changing their meaning, without asking my permission. It&#039;s all debate and free speech when it suits him. But now he&#039;s literally making it up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bevan, you should name yourself after someone who didn&#039;t support No Platform. </p>
<p>Rather than going personal in response, I went right down Hadleigh&#039;s points and fisked them, but I was basically pretty annoyed that he accused me of being contemptuous of my electorate; accordingly I did pick up on what he said about me, yes, but only in response. </p>
<p>There was no need to even question my motivations, let alone go off on one like that. He could have just said why he disagreed with what I wrote and why, but chose to attack me instead. </p>
<p>It was clearly not I who lowed the first blow. </p>
<p>On Labourhome I can&#039;t look for a moderator, because I AM the moderator. If I wanted, I could have just deleted his whole article, or changed it in the way he has changed my comment. </p>
<p>Scrutiny&#8230; no, I object to him assigning the worst motives to me when he has no reason to, he could just tackle the substance. And I object to him censoring my responses and changing their meaning, without asking my permission. It&#039;s all debate and free speech when it suits him. But now he&#039;s literally making it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not Low, the truth is Hadleigh&#039;s initial response was a justification for No No platform. You just ignored that and made the article ad hominem. Yes there were a few parts of the post that accused you of being anti-working class, but this is based on the comments you were making which when picked apart suggest such an attitude. 
 
But more importantly to me is the fact that your &quot;no platform policy&quot; was picked apart but all you did was claim foul from the &quot;personal attacks&quot;. This is where I think you are whining because rather than focus on the issue at hand you seem to be putting your hands up looking for a moderator to go &quot;look Hadleigh play fair&quot;. You can&#039;t even handle a blogger scrutinising you, how will you fare when in front of the media circus. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not Low, the truth is Hadleigh&#039;s initial response was a justification for No No platform. You just ignored that and made the article ad hominem. Yes there were a few parts of the post that accused you of being anti-working class, but this is based on the comments you were making which when picked apart suggest such an attitude. </p>
<p>But more importantly to me is the fact that your &quot;no platform policy&quot; was picked apart but all you did was claim foul from the &quot;personal attacks&quot;. This is where I think you are whining because rather than focus on the issue at hand you seem to be putting your hands up looking for a moderator to go &quot;look Hadleigh play fair&quot;. You can&#039;t even handle a blogger scrutinising you, how will you fare when in front of the media circus.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller 2.0</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Miller 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are you going to whine this much if you ever got elected and are put in the limelight and scrutinised. People without a thick skin should not be politicians.&quot; 
 
Bevan, that&#039;s also pretty low. 
 
I&#039;m up for election and someone is making personalised attacks on me. I&#039;m not sure how I&#039;m supposed to respond apart from arguing back. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Are you going to whine this much if you ever got elected and are put in the limelight and scrutinised. People without a thick skin should not be politicians.&quot; </p>
<p>Bevan, that&#039;s also pretty low. </p>
<p>I&#039;m up for election and someone is making personalised attacks on me. I&#039;m not sure how I&#039;m supposed to respond apart from arguing back.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadleigh Roberts</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadleigh Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s for scanning purposes, I do it in all my articles. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s for scanning purposes, I do it in all my articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller 2.0</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Miller 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, where did the bold come from on &#039;already won&#039;? It deliberately decontextualises my point. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, where did the bold come from on &#039;already won&#039;? It deliberately decontextualises my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually looking at all these articles you are the only person who has made this personal stop whining, your supposed to be a PPC are you going to whine this much when your opinions get scrutinised at General Election time. Are you going to whine this much if you ever got elected and are put in the limelight and scrutinised. People without a thick skin should not be politicians. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually looking at all these articles you are the only person who has made this personal stop whining, your supposed to be a PPC are you going to whine this much when your opinions get scrutinised at General Election time. Are you going to whine this much if you ever got elected and are put in the limelight and scrutinised. People without a thick skin should not be politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://hadleighroberts.com/2009/09/response-response-response/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last but one paragraph really infuriates me. There used to be a time when Student Unions used to be the central hub of political activity but now in an attempt to cater to everyone they have neglected this and created a large apathetic body of students.

Student Unions are not there to act as a little Student Nanny state. You cannot protect people from an opinion. I don&#039;t see why people need protecting from somebody else&#039;s opinion, the truth is if that person is not strong enough individually to stand up for themselves then there will always be a large number of people willing to step up to the plate and do it for them. If the BNP turn up to my SU then to be honest if I was one of the minorities you are thinking about I would want to sock it to them (so to speak). A debating hall is a safe environment and I&#039;m sure an SU can prevent any violence against individuals on their campus.

This paragraph also is yet another example among many others of your distrust in democracy. You would rather just say they are wrong than justify that.

As I have commented elsewhere the article in response to Hadleigh was inadequate, you decribe it as Ad Hominem yet you continue to ignore the justification for No No platform policy that he brings up.

You declare that you are not patronizing, yet me as a reader and Hadleigh (actually I have shown your posts to about 10 people, they have all come to this conclusion independently) as a reader gets that message from your articles. Surely if it comes across as patronizing to so many people but you don&#039;t mean it to, then you should think harder about how you convey your points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last but one paragraph really infuriates me. There used to be a time when Student Unions used to be the central hub of political activity but now in an attempt to cater to everyone they have neglected this and created a large apathetic body of students.</p>
<p>Student Unions are not there to act as a little Student Nanny state. You cannot protect people from an opinion. I don&#8217;t see why people need protecting from somebody else&#8217;s opinion, the truth is if that person is not strong enough individually to stand up for themselves then there will always be a large number of people willing to step up to the plate and do it for them. If the BNP turn up to my SU then to be honest if I was one of the minorities you are thinking about I would want to sock it to them (so to speak). A debating hall is a safe environment and I&#8217;m sure an SU can prevent any violence against individuals on their campus.</p>
<p>This paragraph also is yet another example among many others of your distrust in democracy. You would rather just say they are wrong than justify that.</p>
<p>As I have commented elsewhere the article in response to Hadleigh was inadequate, you decribe it as Ad Hominem yet you continue to ignore the justification for No No platform policy that he brings up.</p>
<p>You declare that you are not patronizing, yet me as a reader and Hadleigh (actually I have shown your posts to about 10 people, they have all come to this conclusion independently) as a reader gets that message from your articles. Surely if it comes across as patronizing to so many people but you don&#8217;t mean it to, then you should think harder about how you convey your points.</p>
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